[oilbear]

各位大侠好! 我是一名有多年油藏数值模拟和动态分析工作经验的申请者,本科GPA不是太好只有3.3(又是"高龄"申请者,惭愧),有谁可以帮忙介绍下美国各石油工程系里比较喜欢找有工作经验的教授?非常感谢!

[akabc47]

这个。。 很难说吧。

有经验当然是好的，但是别的条件也很重要啊。最后一般都是综合评价的吧？

[healthyrice]

引用框（akabc47 ＠ 01-26-2012 - 23:39）

这个。。 很难说吧。

有经验当然是好的，但是别的条件也很重要啊。最后一般都是综合评价的吧？

高龄的话，如果出来是走faculty路线，还是可以考虑的，但是前提得在学术方面确实有建树
如果走工作的路线，那还是慎重，国外不如想象的好，石油业对高龄毕业生还是有一定的“歧视”的，企业培养一个员工，更希望培训出的员工处于年富力强的时期

[oilbear]

非常感谢akabc47和healthyrice两位的回复！我的其它方面一般，没有太大竞争力,本科，overall GPA只有3.34， Major GPA稍微高一点3.6， T：97，GRE 1240+3.5，发表的文章也只有国内的一点，所以对以我这种工作10来年的人，亮点只有工作经验和科研经历。关于各系的介绍我已经详细了解，我觉得这个论坛弄的非常好，赞一下！我是希望各位大侠给有了解情况的介绍下美国那边喜欢找有工作经验的教授，我套磁的时候好有的放矢，也给论坛上其它和我有类似情况的人提供借鉴。

BTW：akabc47是不是对枪很喜欢呢，名字里包含ak47, healthyrice喜欢米饭，和我一样？ 开个玩笑。

[ytlee]

引用框（healthyrice ＠ 01-26-2012 - 23:02）

高龄的话，如果出来是走faculty路线，还是可以考虑的，但是前提得在学术方面确实有建树

For US, faculty track requires post doc experience for fresh PhD holder. Unless you already have a PhD, otherwise 5 year phd + 4 year post doc, you will add 9 more years before you start your application for faculty position. Although US has no age discrimination policy, but the invisible line still there.

[ganquan315]

引用框（ytlee ＠ 01-27-2012 - 23:22）

引用框（healthyrice ＠ 01-26-2012 - 23:02）

高龄的话，如果出来是走faculty路线，还是可以考虑的，但是前提得在学术方面确实有建树

For US, faculty track requires post doc experience for fresh PhD holder. Unless you already have a PhD, otherwise 5 year phd + 4 year post doc, you will add 9 more years before you start your application for faculty position. Although US has no age discrimination policy, but the invisible line still there.

Not always like you say, there is still assistant professor hired without post doc experience. I suggest not go for those.

[akabc47]

引用框（ganquan315 ＠ 01-27-2012 - 23:22）

引用框（ytlee ＠ 01-27-2012 - 23:22）

引用框（healthyrice ＠ 01-26-2012 - 23:02）

高龄的话，如果出来是走faculty路线，还是可以考虑的，但是前提得在学术方面确实有建树

For US, faculty track requires post doc experience for fresh PhD holder. Unless you already have a PhD, otherwise 5 year phd + 4 year post doc, you will add 9 more years before you start your application for faculty position. Although US has no age discrimination policy, but the invisible line still there.

Not always like you say, there is still assistant professor hired without post doc experience. I suggest not go for those.

哈哈

[ytlee]

引用框（ganquan315 ＠ 01-27-2012 - 09:22）

引用框（ytlee ＠ 01-27-2012 - 23:22）

引用框（healthyrice ＠ 01-26-2012 - 23:02）

高龄的话，如果出来是走faculty路线，还是可以考虑的，但是前提得在学术方面确实有建树

For US, faculty track requires post doc experience for fresh PhD holder. Unless you already have a PhD, otherwise 5 year phd + 4 year post doc, you will add 9 more years before you start your application for faculty position. Although US has no age discrimination policy, but the invisible line still there.

Not always like you say, there is still assistant professor hired without post doc experience. I suggest not go for those.

There is always exception. there are several foreigners work as professors at Yale without a phd degree. You can't base your future caeer plan on exception, otherwise, every 8 years old are college student. http://www.myfoxphoe...tition-4-8-2010

every 11 years kids are college graduate
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525254,00.html

[oilbear]

非常感谢各位的回复! 我感觉在北美做faculty的机会不多吧,还得靠实力加机会啊，所以不作为我的主要考虑。感谢healtyrice同学的善意提醒，我主要还是考虑走工作路线，我申请留学主要还是为了提高自己的专业技能，好在以后有更多的选择，毕业了也不一定非要在美国找工作，其它国家或者回国或者创业都可以考虑啊，关键还是自己要有让人可以出价的技能。现在国内也有很多全世界各油公司拿项目做的公司，我就是在这样的公司里干了几年，做了很多国外公司比如chevron,statoil的项目,我想这些工作经验还是对以后的找工作有帮助的吧。
我在这个版上看到介绍说有的教授喜欢找有多种工作经验的人,喜欢 diversity，希望有大侠出来详细介绍下。

[ytlee]

oilbear, on 01-28-2012 - 05:16, said:

非常感谢各位的回复! 我感觉在北美做faculty的机会不多吧,还得靠实力加机会啊，所以不作为我的主要考虑。感谢healtyrice同学的善意提醒，我主要还是考虑走工作路线，我申请留学主要还是为了提高自己的专业技能，好在以后有更多的选择，毕业了也不一定非要在美国找工作，其它国家或者回国或者创业都可以考虑啊，关键还是自己要有让人可以出价的技能。现在国内也有很多全世界各油公司拿项目做的公司，我就是在这样的公司里干了几年，做了很多国外公司比如chevron,statoil的项目,我想这些工作经验还是对以后的找工作有帮助的吧。
我在这个版上看到介绍说有的教授喜欢找有多种工作经验的人,喜欢 diversity，希望有大侠出来详细介绍下。

In US, the industry and the university recognize the fact that no every research project can be neatly fit into academic time table nor the industry can employ every PhD. But there is a need for industry to outsource the R/D and university need the revenue, therefore, the idea of consortium is formed. At UT @Austin, TAMU @CS, Rice and many Tier 1 university, they actually running the consortium as business model. They are staffed with professors who don't have lecture duty and students work there as career workers. If doing R/D is your passion, you may want to check out their web sites. You can apply for the opening when you find one that interested you.

Good Luck

[akabc47]

oilbear, on 01-28-2012 - 19:16, said:

非常感谢各位的回复! 我感觉在北美做faculty的机会不多吧,还得靠实力加机会啊，所以不作为我的主要考虑。感谢healtyrice同学的善意提醒，我主要还是考虑走工作路线，我申请留学主要还是为了提高自己的专业技能，好在以后有更多的选择，毕业了也不一定非要在美国找工作，其它国家或者回国或者创业都可以考虑啊，关键还是自己要有让人可以出价的技能。现在国内也有很多全世界各油公司拿项目做的公司，我就是在这样的公司里干了几年，做了很多国外公司比如chevron,statoil的项目,我想这些工作经验还是对以后的找工作有帮助的吧。
我在这个版上看到介绍说有的教授喜欢找有多种工作经验的人,喜欢 diversity，希望有大侠出来详细介绍下。

可惜我并不认识做数模的老师，也就无从知道他们的喜好了。

但是既然你已经与国外的石油公司多次合作过，不妨找几个那边的人，让他们帮你推荐一下，会有很好的效果。

[oilbear]

引用框（ytlee ＠ 01-29-2012 - 00:01）

引用框（oilbear ＠ 01-28-2012 - 05:16）

非常感谢各位的回复! 我感觉在北美做faculty的机会不多吧,还得靠实力加机会啊，所以不作为我的主要考虑。感谢healtyrice同学的善意提醒，我主要还是考虑走工作路线，我申请留学主要还是为了提高自己的专业技能，好在以后有更多的选择，毕业了也不一定非要在美国找工作，其它国家或者回国或者创业都可以考虑啊，关键还是自己要有让人可以出价的技能。现在国内也有很多全世界各油公司拿项目做的公司，我就是在这样的公司里干了几年，做了很多国外公司比如chevron,statoil的项目,我想这些工作经验还是对以后的找工作有帮助的吧。
我在这个版上看到介绍说有的教授喜欢找有多种工作经验的人,喜欢 diversity，希望有大侠出来详细介绍下。

In US, the industry and the university recognize the fact that no every research project can be neatly fit into academic time table nor the industry can employ every PhD. But there is a need for industry to outsource the R/D and university need the revenue, therefore, the idea of consortium is formed. At UT @Austin, TAMU @CS, Rice and many Tier 1 university, they actually running the consortium as business model. They are staffed with professors who don't have lecture duty and students work there as career workers. If doing R/D is your passion, you may want to check out their web sites. You can apply for the opening when you find one that interested you.

Good Luck

Thank you! I actually saw such professors on websites of consortium. It would be the best for me if I could find such a position.

[oilbear]

引用框（akabc47 ＠ 01-29-2012 - 09:15）

引用框（oilbear ＠ 01-28-2012 - 19:16）

非常感谢各位的回复! 我感觉在北美做faculty的机会不多吧,还得靠实力加机会啊，所以不作为我的主要考虑。感谢healtyrice同学的善意提醒，我主要还是考虑走工作路线，我申请留学主要还是为了提高自己的专业技能，好在以后有更多的选择，毕业了也不一定非要在美国找工作，其它国家或者回国或者创业都可以考虑啊，关键还是自己要有让人可以出价的技能。现在国内也有很多全世界各油公司拿项目做的公司，我就是在这样的公司里干了几年，做了很多国外公司比如chevron,statoil的项目,我想这些工作经验还是对以后的找工作有帮助的吧。
我在这个版上看到介绍说有的教授喜欢找有多种工作经验的人,喜欢 diversity，希望有大侠出来详细介绍下。

可惜我并不认识做数模的老师，也就无从知道他们的喜好了。

但是既然你已经与国外的石油公司多次合作过，不妨找几个那边的人，让他们帮你推荐一下，会有很好的效果。

谢谢你的建议和关注!

[CGGVeritas]

引用框（healthyrice ＠ 01-27-2012 - 13:02）

引用框（akabc47 ＠ 01-26-2012 - 23:39）

这个。。 很难说吧。

有经验当然是好的，但是别的条件也很重要啊。最后一般都是综合评价的吧？

高龄的话，如果出来是走faculty路线，还是可以考虑的，但是前提得在学术方面确实有建树
如果走工作的路线，那还是慎重，国外不如想象的好，石油业对高龄毕业生还是有一定的“歧视”的，企业培养一个员工，更希望培训出的员工处于年富力强的时期

不要考虑faulty了，不是说不可能，而是非常难，僧多粥少，至少5-6年phd+ 3-4年Postdoc，现在美国的phd严重过剩。年龄太大了没竞争力。 不过现在回国做faculty形势很不错。

[roc999]

come here for a MS or PHD and then get a job in the industry. Your expreience should help you a lot to get admission and get job offer in the future. 10-yr experience, so you are ~32 and not old at all.

If you can pay for your tuition and expense, consider getting a MS, rather than working as a PHD slave (no offense) for 5 years.

[oilbear]

引用框（CGGVeritas ＠ 02-05-2012 - 07:44）

引用框（healthyrice ＠ 01-27-2012 - 13:02）

引用框（akabc47 ＠ 01-26-2012 - 23:39）

这个。。 很难说吧。

有经验当然是好的，但是别的条件也很重要啊。最后一般都是综合评价的吧？

高龄的话，如果出来是走faculty路线，还是可以考虑的，但是前提得在学术方面确实有建树
如果走工作的路线，那还是慎重，国外不如想象的好，石油业对高龄毕业生还是有一定的“歧视”的，企业培养一个员工，更希望培训出的员工处于年富力强的时期

不要考虑faulty了，不是说不可能，而是非常难，僧多粥少，至少5-6年phd+ 3-4年Postdoc，现在美国的phd严重过剩。年龄太大了没竞争力。 不过现在回国做faculty形势很不错。

是的，faculty可能只是可遇不可求的事情啊

[oilbear]

引用框（roc999 ＠ 02-05-2012 - 13:01）

come here for a MS or PHD and then get a job in the industry. Your expreience should help you a lot to get admission and get job offer in the future. 10-yr experience, so you are ~32 and not old at all.

If you can pay for your tuition and expense, consider getting a MS, rather than working as a PHD slave (no offense) for 5 years.

Thank you very much for your good suggestion! BTW, does a PHD generally "slave" for 5 years in US? I know a person who finished his MS and PHD in three years. Is that a rare case?

[akabc47]

引用框（oilbear ＠ 02-06-2012 - 23:29）

引用框（roc999 ＠ 02-05-2012 - 13:01）

come here for a MS or PHD and then get a job in the industry. Your expreience should help you a lot to get admission and get job offer in the future. 10-yr experience, so you are ~32 and not old at all.

If you can pay for your tuition and expense, consider getting a MS, rather than working as a PHD slave (no offense) for 5 years.

Thank you very much for your good suggestion! BTW, does a PHD generally "slave" for 5 years in US? I know a person who finished his MS and PHD in three years. Is that a rare case?

That's something I have never seen.

In our department, generally Phd is five years without MS before and 4 years with MS before Phd. Some people might stay for 7 years

[ytlee]

引用框（oilbear ＠ 02-06-2012 - 09:29）

Thank you very much for your good suggestion! BTW, does a PHD generally "slave" for 5 years in US? I know a person who finished his MS and PHD in three years. Is that a rare case?

From BS to PhD in three years???

Not in engineering field from tier One universities.

On the other hand, you can buy one from paper mill schools. you don't even need to attend class.

PS. I also want to add my comment regarding "slave". I used to joke that my academic colleagues use phd students as slaves. My colleagues said their students are sweat equity holders. The advisors sweat bullet & blood to secure the grand to fund the student. The student put up the sweat to complete the project. When they are done, the student get paid at the end. Since student did not secure the funding, they are at the mercy of the boss.

My kids were phd students but their life style is anything but slave. Then again, they are different because they obtained their own grants. Their advisor (commonly known to chinese students as boss), only gave them academic support. They do the same as post doc. The schools have no financial obligation regarding their employment. They don't earn as much as oilfield workers, but they do what they love to do.

[oilbear]

引用框（akabc47 ＠ 02-07-2012 - 01:03）

引用框（oilbear ＠ 02-06-2012 - 23:29）

引用框（roc999 ＠ 02-05-2012 - 13:01）

come here for a MS or PHD and then get a job in the industry. Your expreience should help you a lot to get admission and get job offer in the future. 10-yr experience, so you are ~32 and not old at all.

If you can pay for your tuition and expense, consider getting a MS, rather than working as a PHD slave (no offense) for 5 years.

Thank you very much for your good suggestion! BTW, does a PHD generally "slave" for 5 years in US? I know a person who finished his MS and PHD in three years. Is that a rare case?

That's something I have never seen.

In our department, generally Phd is five years without MS before and 4 years with MS before Phd. Some people might stay for 7 years

OK, maybe the guy told me a little exaggerated story. It seems that I have to mentally prepare long-period "battle" if I could be admitted.