[quickie]

They also hire non-Chinese (and have) but Chinese speaking is a plus.

Houston research center is in planning stage therefore only discuss Beijing
positions for now

If no experience, you will be treated same way as China graduates. US degree
no preference. Therefore, experience is perferred.

You need to be able to deliver. If you cannot deliver after 1-2 years, you
may not be able to keep the position.

Compensation is international level if you can prove yourself. Don't ask me
any numbers as there is no fixed standard.

A project coordinator will be appointed to help you handle all paper work,
meetings, and "guanxi", as well as getting funding for your research, so
that you can focus on what you like to do. You can bring a few team members
from USA, or they will appoint several team members to work with you if you
wish.

If you have kids going to Beijing also, they will consider helping getting
your kids to international school if so desired.

They will also consider helping spouse getting job if qualified.

As to technology, they are not trying to copy USA technology, but develop
their own. In my discussion I noticed a few technology not yet available in
USA.

Expertise needed may include:
Drilling
Completion and stimulation
Well testing
Formation damage prevention
Offshore drilling and production equipment
Automation and remote control

Degree in engineering or computer

Description of the company:
http://www.sinopec.c...s/institute/201

http://job.sinopec.c...Id=58789f72-287

[topset]

看了这个招聘贴，心中有话不吐不快。我也在国内国外石油行业跑来跑去七八年了，这样的人事看到了好几起。现在又有人跑到精准来忽悠。我来给翻译翻译这个招聘是什么意思。

If no experience, you will be treated same way as China graduates. US degree no preference. Therefore, experience is perferred.
美国硕士，3000大洋一个月。美国博士，5000大洋一个月。

Compensation is international level if you can prove yourself. Don't ask me any numbers as there is no fixed standard.
国际水平有标准，硕士8万刀，博士10万刀。我的国际水平没标准，我说多少就多少。

You need to be able to deliver. If you cannot deliver after 1-2 years, you may not be able to keep the position.
赶紧出活，赶紧出活，我好升官，我好升官。半年不出活，脸色很难看，一年不出活，你就得滚蛋。

As to technology, they are not trying to copy USA technology, but develop their own. In my discussion I noticed a few technology not yet available in USA.
我们不是来偷技术的，我们要自己做研！发！哦，对了，一定要在半年内研发出来，不然参照上面的时间条款。

If you have kids going to Beijing also, they will consider helping getting your kids to international school if so desired.
我会考虑的...，一定要so desired。

They will also consider helping spouse getting job if qualified.
老婆去干勤杂事务岗，5000大洋一个月。不要嫌少，已经是我们这美国博士标准啦。忘了说，还要qualify的。

A project coordinator will be appointed to help you handle all paper work, meetings, and "guanxi", as well as getting funding for your research, so that you can focus on what you like to do. You can bring a few team members
from USA, or they will appoint several team members to work with you if you wish.
帮我再忽悠几个人来，不然就接受我塞给你的人。

[ytlee]

It seems topset has personal experience with this project and the experience is not a good one.

[roc999]

这个招聘帖子的具体情况不很了解，不针对做评价。

一些其他国内石油行业的所谓招聘，技术引进来。基本上具备topset所描述的特点。参见其他行业海归的经验来看，有很多雷同。

“。。。我们的项目都没有连续性，企业的都是短期行为。我们不敢从国外招人，招人回来也养不起，最后是把人家害了。。。”

[largegoat]

海外找人？招来的话也是这结果：过几年走的肯定不适合中国国情，留下的呢则成热水之蛙了

[akabc47]

唉，国企，冷了人们的心啊。。。

[ytlee]

引用框（largegoat ＠ 12-21-2011 - 21:25）

海外找人？招来的话也是这结果：过几年走的肯定不适合中国国情，留下的呢则成热水之蛙了

I hope that is just an isolated case, otherwise, anyone who study abroad will not return to the motherland.

I don't know other industry, but for petroleum industry, china is still far behind US. China petroleum industry definitely would benefit from the returning chinese students who worked for US companies.

I believe the situation is similar to the electronic industry couple decades ago. Many chinese students who worked in US electronic industry returned to china and set up shop. Now china is THE electronic gadget hot bed. My roommate who studied hardware and worked for IBM/Compaq went to Taiwan and created Acer. So I expect down the road; one of you will set up shop in China as SLB competitor.

I also hope that students who remain in china don't develop anti-海外找人 attitude. One reason US being the technology leader is the result of talents coming to US. Despite the current anti-immigration climate in US, people with special skills still can make a good career in US.

[zhangxuewei]

[/quote]
One reason US being the technology leader is the result of talents coming to US. Despite the current anti-immigration climate in US, people with special skills still can make a good career in US.
[/quote]

我觉得这是美国作为技术领袖的最重要的原因

[roc999]

这绝对不是isolated case. 国内政策不稳定，政府大公司的领导其实是官员，喜欢搞政绩，往上爬。 喜欢的是多快好省的短平快项目。 谁愿意做长期研发为后来人种树？你一只小海龟，回去拿的钱比周围的人多很多，人性的嫉妒和自私让别人有无限的动力把你brain dump之后替代下来。你一只水土不服的海龟有多少精力可以花在这些事情上？ 干嘛给自己找不痛快呢？

石油行业和consumer electonics行业是没法比的，即使是油服的入门门槛也是非常的高，人才，资金，技术积累（即使是抄）没有个十年二十年年也做不出个样子。 随随便便就开个shop把SLB替代了的可能性比acer成功的可能性小多了。油服行业讲究integrated solution, 作出个别技术即使做到了同等水平也不一定能够有竞争力，人家一个package bid就把你的bid打垮了。 从另外一个角度来讲中国这种政府企业其实如果操作得当是最有希望能够挑战SLB的，只可惜脑残的管理体制让这一切显得如此的不可能。

[ytlee]

引用框（roc999 ＠ 12-22-2011 - 17:38）

这绝对不是isolated case. 国内政策不稳定，政府大公司的领导其实是官员，喜欢搞政绩，往上爬。 喜欢的是多快好省的短平快项目。 谁愿意做长期研发为后来人种树？你一只小海龟，回去拿的钱比周围的人多很多，人性的嫉妒和自私让别人有无限的动力把你brain dump之后替代下来。你一只水土不服的海龟有多少精力可以花在这些事情上？ 干嘛给自己找不痛快呢？

石油行业和consumer electonics行业是没法比的，即使是油服的入门门槛也是非常的高，人才，资金，技术积累（即使是抄）没有个十年二十年年也做不出个样子。 随随便便就开个shop把SLB替代了的可能性比acer成功的可能性小多了。油服行业讲究integrated solution, 作出个别技术即使做到了同等水平也不一定能够有竞争力，人家一个package bid就把你的bid打垮了。 从另外一个角度来讲中国这种政府企业其实如果操作得当是最有希望能够挑战SLB的，只可惜脑残的管理体制让这一切显得如此的不可能。

So, if one decides to study abroad, then one should abandon the idea returning to china.

That is bad for china, she basically given up the national talent and the engine for future growth.