[candle]

来源：中国新闻网　

9月2日，在蓬莱19-3油田B、C作业平台附近海域，海面上仍有漂浮的油带膜，并有大量油花溢出，康菲公司的溢油清理工作仍在进行。图为蓬莱19-3油田B平台。

　　中新社北京9月2日电(记者 阮煜琳)国家海洋局2日宣布，由国家海洋局牵头组成的联合调查组分析认定，由于康菲公司没有尽到合理审慎作业者的责任，蓬莱19-3油田溢油事故属于责任事故。

　　为彻底查明污染事故发生原因及污染损害等情况，国家海洋局牵头成立了蓬莱19-3油田溢油事故联合调查组，国土资源部、环境保护部、交通运输部、农业部、国家安全监督总局、国家能源局等部门为联合调查组成员。

　　蓬莱19-3油田溢油事故联合调查组在勘察溢油事故现场、质询相关责任方、调阅大量原始数据资料等工作基础上，对事故原因、性质及责任进行了深入细致的调查分析，初步认为造成此次溢油的原因，从油田地质方面来说，由于作业者回注增压作业不正确，注采比失调，破坏了地层和断层的稳定性，形成窜流通道，因此发生海底溢油。

　　调查组认为，B平台没有执行总体开发方案规定的分层注水开发要求，B平台的23号(B23)井长期笼统注水，无法发现和控制与采油井不连通的注水层产生的超压，造成与之接触的断层失稳，发生沿断层的向上窜流，这是B平台附近海域溢油事故的直接原因。此外，B23井注水出现异常，理应立即停注排查，却未果断停注，造成溢油量增加。


　　C平台未进行安全性论证，擅自将注入层上提至接近油层底部，造成C 平台20 号井(C20)井钻井过程中接近该层位时遇到高压发生井涌。同时，违反经核准的环境影响报告书要求，C20井表层套管过浅，发生井涌时表层套管下部地层承压过高，造成原油及钻井泥浆混合物侧漏到海底泥砂层，导致C平台附近海底溢油。

　　联合调查组对以上原因分析后认定，由于康菲公司没有尽到合理审慎作业者的责任，蓬莱19-3油田溢油事故属于责任事故。(完)

[candle]

引用框（candle ＠ 09-03-2011 - 12:21）

　　调查组认为，B平台没有执行总体开发方案规定的分层注水开发要求，B平台的23号(B23)井长期笼统注水，无法发现和控制与采油井不连通的注水层产生的超压，造成与之接触的断层失稳，发生沿断层的向上窜流，这是B平台附近海域溢油事故的直接原因。

大家觉得这个“超压”合理吗?

[candle]

引用框（candle ＠ 09-03-2011 - 12:21）

　　C平台未进行安全性论证，擅自将注入层上提至接近油层底部，造成C 平台20 号井(C20)井钻井过程中接近该层位时遇到高压发生井涌。同时，违反经核准的环境影响报告书要求，C20井表层套管过浅，发生井涌时表层套管下部地层承压过高，造成原油及钻井泥浆混合物侧漏到海底泥砂层，导致C平台附近海底溢油。

这个错误比较低级。而且政府的监管部门也有责任。

[ytlee]

引用框（candle ＠ 09-02-2011 - 21:26）

引用框（candle ＠ 09-03-2011 - 12:21）

　　调查组认为，B平台没有执行总体开发方案规定的分层注水开发要求，B平台的23号(B23)井长期笼统注水，无法发现和控制与采油井不连通的注水层产生的超压，造成与之接触的断层失稳，发生沿断层的向上窜流，这是B平台附近海域溢油事故的直接原因。

大家觉得这个“超压”合理吗?

The rule of thumb is not to exceed the original pressure. To be safe, we go even lower than that just to avoid surge pressure issues in case mechanicalmalfunctions.

[upjzk]

不知道停止生产是不是正确的

[ytlee]

引用框（upjzk ＠ 09-04-2011 - 03:20）

不知道停止生产是不是正确的

That is politicians decision.

Assuming the conditions were caused by overpressure injection and frac'd the container. stop the injection but continue the production to release the pressure. Otherwise, crude will continue escaping from the breached points.

as i said, i do not have access to the data and i'm not sure the reservoir conditions. So far I heard there were drilling accident and fluid were lost; New leaks found around the area and the leak were drilling fluid. The released data indicates the current leaks were from previous drilling accident.



If you are working to find the solution, I suggest you get a positive ID of the sample, if it is drilling mud, it should be a simple test. if not, a comparison of stock tank sample will help to evaluate the reservoir integrity.


One forum member speculated the cement. In general, those cases can be verifed easily with underwater video survey. Since the service company is still on the sideline, I believe cement is not the source. Otherwise, you should see the legal and PR releases from the cement company all over the news already. Unless cement job were done terribly wrong, cement should be stronger than the earth it replaced. If the cement was done wrong, the wellbore should show sign of slacking/tilting and/or other mechanical related issues. so I don't think I will put too much stock on their speculation.

[akabc47]

妈的，这帮孙子们变卖国家财产！

渤海有啥难开采的？非得要国外公司来弄，还给49%的原油？中海油每年那么高利润，这点事搞不定？伊拉克一桶原油才顶多给2美元收益，真是崽卖爷田不心疼啊！！！就算现在技术力量达不到，晚开采两年又怎么了？？

还嚷嚷着南海，自己家后院里的都拱手让人，还说什么南海？

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本帖只代表本人观点，不代表论坛管理员素质。言语低俗，有损论坛管理员形象，十分抱歉。

[ytlee]

akabc47, please watch your language because you are representing the forum admin.

CoP does not get the 49% free. It puts up the capital to develop the field, operating cost to produce the oil. Add other costs for training and technology transfer, CoP is struggling to make 10% ROI.

China bear no financial burden to collect 51% pure profit. This deal is actually much better than typical US Gulf of Mexico deal. US government only receive 12.5% at best.

So next time, please refine your language and drop your small mind mentality if you want to be a global oilfield professional.

[akabc47]

引用框（ytlee ＠ 09-14-2011 - 10:34）

akabc47, please watch your language because you are representing the forum admin.

CoP does not get the 49% free. It puts up the capital to develop the field, operating cost to produce the oil. Add other costs for training and technology transfer, CoP is struggling to make 10% ROI.

China bear no financial burden to collect 51% pure profit. This deal is actually much better than typical US Gulf of Mexico deal. US government only receive 12.5% at best.

So next time, please refine your language and drop your small mind mentality if you want to be a global oilfield professional.

好吧，话是比较过分，但是实在是比较气愤。别的帖子可以代表论坛管理员，这个帖子只代表我自己的立场。下回要是我想骂人换个马甲。

我没有说康菲免费获得49%的原油，当然是有成本的。但是试想，这49%的成本里，有付给美国政府的税，有使用美国油服公司的工具或者服务的成本，有付给美国员工的薪水，没有一分钱是流入中国的GDP的。如果是中海油自己去开发呢？有付给中国员工的薪水，有上缴政府的利税，有使用中国油服公司的工具和服务，所有的钱都留在了中国的GDP。而且至少如果出现了类似于这样的溢油事故，不会拖三个月才处理。这笔账难道算不过来么？中海油这么做无非是坐地收钱，倚仗垄断了中国所有海上油田的优势来减少自己的投入，而获得类似甚至更高的收益。这种便宜事谁不会做呢？可是如果这么做，中海油又有什么存在的意义呢？如果这么做是对的，那不妨把中国所有的资源全部外包，一点投入都不需要，坐地收钱就可以了。但是如果真的这么做，无论是政府还是外包的公司都不会有任何损失，最终受损失的是中国的老百姓，失去了就业的机会，久而久之，也失去了掌握核心技术的机会。这也就是为什么海油成立了将近20年，但是还一直走不出浅海。每每依靠自身的垄断优势，把稍微有些挑战，稍微有些风险的区块都外包给国际公司，自己只管收钱。不断奶，怎么能学会吃饭呢？

如果说自身技术实力不够，不足以开发，那么非洲我们去了，中东我们去了，南美我们去了，都是最差的环境，最难啃的骨头。前年在埃塞俄比亚，中原油田还搭上了20条人命，这么大的代价都付了，难道渤海就拿不下么？就算真的拿不下，留到10年以后，难道还拿不下么？想想我的父辈那些普通的石油工人提着脑袋在非洲战乱地区找油，这帮家伙在国内坐地收钱，崽卖爷田，难道不可气么？

以前的政策一直是“市场换技术”，但是纵观中国三十年的发展，每每是市场让人家占了，技术没学会，最典型的例子比如汽车，飞机，相机，甚至快餐店，服装。以中国的廉价人力资源优势或者说人才优势，为什么现在还只是沦为世界工厂，而没有任何自身的品牌？就是因为国企对稍微有些技术含量、风险大的项目便不去努力攻克，只是倚仗垄断优势苟延残喘。这也是为什么美国一旦要回制造业的工作，中国的经济立即一落千丈，物价飞涨。另外更可气的是政府竟然不支持民族企业的发展。以汽车为例，处级以上领导配的都是奥迪A4，副处级配的都是帕萨特，这可都是进口车啊！即使是一汽大众联合生产的，依然有相当一部分本应该流入中国老百姓口袋的钱流入了外国人的口袋。

所以，将原本应该付给中国人的薪水付给外国人，将原本应该交给中国的利税交给外国政府，我说他们“变卖国家财产”，难道错了么？每年把几十亿拱手让人，叫他们一声“孙子”，不过分吧？想想现在国内飞涨的物价，父母一辈子的积蓄只够买一套公寓，还是只有七十年使用期；爷爷奶奶至今还在破旧的乡下，过着面朝黄土背朝天的生活，没有养老保险，没有医疗保障；比我的家人过得差的在中国还大有人在，骂他们一句“妈的”算是轻的了？看看这帮官员们在做什么：http://news.163.com/11/0914/07/7DT786GQ0001124J.html “湖北巡视组进驻贫困县不足一月花费80万元” 恨不得一个大耳刮子把他们扇下台来。

ytlee先生，您是长辈，说的自然有您的道理。江主席教导我们“闷声发大财”，也是他老人家几十年人生智慧的结晶。如果我对此不加评论，甚至利用我是中国人，熟悉渤海地质情况的优势去康菲申请一个职位，也许我会很容易获得一份国内难以想象的优厚报酬，甚至让我能够拿着美国的工资在国内花。但是如果我的老师，我的朋友，我的家人问我：“我们培养了你这么多年，你为我们做了什么贡献？”我应该怎么回答呢？我只能说：”我拿到了本该属于你们的一小部分的工资，为美国公司创造了上百倍的利润，但是对于你们没有一点好处。“

这里我没有批评康菲的意思，康菲只是一个资本公司，换了哪个公司都会是一样的。错的是中海油，中国政府，归根到底是中国的老百姓，没有为争取本该属于自己的利益而呐喊，太软弱。

也许如果在国内，我便不敢也不许根本不想这么说。但是经过我在美国的这一年，我见到了美国的老百姓是如何为了自身的工作而对政府施压的，如何为了对他们的利益而努力，以及随之而来的他们的生活是多么的幸福与安逸。去年美国政府宣布Marcellus Shale对国际公司开放的时候，中国公司想进入，你看看美国人是什么反应？统统质问政府，为什么要把工作机会和利润拱手相让？倘若说global，他们怎么不global？就连我的导师，也时不时跟我抱怨中国政府操纵了汇率，偷走了本来应该属于美国人的工作（没错，他用的是steal这个词）。我应该怎么跟他argue？说其实我们也送给你们了不少，瞧瞧俺们自家的石油都送一半给你，还不够么？把自己的东西送给别人反说是“国际化”，难道不是自欺欺人么？

于是我便不得不发出这样的呐喊。

[ytlee]

Using 马甲 or not, it is up to you. For me, I always use my real name. I'm trying to stay true to myself when I speak in public or in a room all by myself. As my mentor told me, "doing the right thing when no one is watching" is the gold standard of being a person. As a real person, I have emotions too. I know I may not able to speak my mind as a forum member AND as an admin. I turned down an offer for that reason.

As you already knew, I'm a chinese in US. I still have relatives inside mainland china. I don't know much about china politics nor oilfield practise but I care about her future and direction of chinese oilfield operation, especially in reservoir simulation and modeling. I had few chinese students working with me and I get to know few more in this forum and from my trips touring China. I listen to their concerns and give them my advices. I don't claim that I'm fully understand the dynamics of China nor the dreams and thoughts of her oilfield workers and students. However, I come to know the education system to training the reservoir simulation students and the mentality of chinese oilfield workers. Frankly, I don't like what I saw. Your post more or less reflects common thinking regarding foreign investment in china oilfield. Correct me if I'm wrong, I think many chinese students select PE because they believe PE is the ticket for 发大财. The material instinct is so strong that many workers/students make 发大财 as the ONLY life goal. They will stop at nothing except dollar sign. The "end justify the mean" mentality is alarming and frankly hinder their outlook. They only see the dollar sign in front of their eyes and completely ignore the fact that the dollar sign in their eyes cloud their judgement and the big picture.
for example, forum members blame foreign companies 垄断中国市场. They believe the foreign companies steal from them. (Same as the US citizen believe china steal jobs from US). They (chinese and US) completely blind to the fact that the world has changed. Localism is replaced by globalism. For better or worser, globalization is the new trend. You can view globalization is more competition for your dollar, or treat globalization as a mean enlarging the pie.


As a global oilfield worker, we have to alter our mentality to work in four corners of the world. I don't label myself as US nor as chinese. I'm a child of this planet earth, my duty is to supply energy to people who needs it. Fossil energy is a risky venture and requires huge amount of investments, therefore as employees of the company, it is my responsibility to ensure the shareholders a reasonable return for their investment. However, I will not put profitability above the safety of the workers nor the environment.


BTW, US oilfield is the most open market in the world, anyone can set up shop and drill here if you follow the guidelines. US oilfield technology is still the leader. The facts that all NOCs have operations in US say a lot regarding US market and oilfiled technology.

[akabc47]

You are off my point.

Do you agree if China develops its own offshore oil field, it will be better for Chinese people? Do you think it's stupid to lease the oil field to foreign companies in terms of the interest of Chinese people?

Globalization is the trend. But that doesn't mean globalization is good for everyone. Globalization means the jobs goes to poor countries while the profit goes to the west. The only winner of this globalization is the international companies while blue-collar workers on both sides lose in the long term. I don't see any benefit for common Chinese people through this cooperation with ConocoPhilips in Bohai Bay.

As far as I can see, American students are no different from Chinese students when it comes to money issue. They balance the offers from different companies and choose the higher paid one. Everybody has a family to feed. So don't put on the noble mask to teach how others should treat life. It is disgusting. There is nothing wrong of making money through working hard or working clever, as long as it's legal business.

Your point of global oilfield worker is hypocritical. No Oil company is an true international company. They pay taxes to their own country. They hire people from their own country. Look at what BP did during the oil spill in GOM and compare that with this oil spill. Do you think they have treat US and China in the same way? So you are serving US if you are US citizen and make profits for US company, even if you don't label yourself as one.

[ytlee]

"Do you agree if China develops its own offshore oil field, it will be better for Chinese people? Do you think it's stupid to lease the oil field to foreign companies in terms of the interest of Chinese people?"

Put down your chinese glasses for now. Change the word "china" to "US", your statement will sound exactly like US politicians talking.

Oilfield development is risky and require huge capital. As rich as US, US doesn't have enough capital for the deepwater and the shale play. that is the reasons why US open the market to attract investments. Judging from the capital flowing into US oil plays and the oil production, the result quieted the US politicians.

China oilfield development is still not mature and decade behind US, I believe the foreign investment has improved its position but many billions are still needed.

[ytlee]

"So you are serving US if you are US citizen and make profits for US company, even if you don't label yourself as one."

I'm a US citizen, for the past 30+ years, I worked for different foreign companies. Yes, I paid my income taxes to US but I also paid to other countries too. I helped many NOCs, including china, evaluating prospects in US and in their own countries. I helped educating many young engineers, in US and in their own countries. So I don't believe I restricted myself only to US interests.

I don't believe protectionism and I believe globalization is the trend and it is making the pie bigger for everyone. The difference between you and me is not i'm us citizen and you are chinese student in US. That is the difference between you and me is protectionism and globalization.

[akabc47]

引用框（ytlee ＠ 09-15-2011 - 03:32）

"Do you agree if China develops its own offshore oil field, it will be better for Chinese people? Do you think it's stupid to lease the oil field to foreign companies in terms of the interest of Chinese people?"

Put down your chinese glasses for now. Change the word "china" to "US", your statement will sound exactly like US politicians talking.

Oilfield development is risky and require huge capital. As rich as US, US doesn't have enough capital for the deepwater and the shale play. that is the reasons why US open the market to attract investments. Judging from the capital flowing into US oil plays and the oil production, the result quieted the US politicians.

China oilfield development is still not mature and decade behind US, I believe the foreign investment has improved its position but many billions are still needed.

Do you have any data to support your argument? As far as I know, China do have enough capital to do anything. We have 2 trillion dollar US debt that is devaluing every day.

Actually I feel quite happy to be sounded like "American Politician", because they are voted by the people, and they speak for the people.

Give us some number or you don't know what you are talking about.

[akabc47]

引用框（ytlee ＠ 09-15-2011 - 03:46）

"So you are serving US if you are US citizen and make profits for US company, even if you don't label yourself as one."

I'm a US citizen, for the past 30+ years, I worked for different foreign companies. Yes, I paid my income taxes to US but I also paid to other countries too. I helped many NOCs, including china, evaluating prospects in US and in their own countries. I helped educating many young engineers, in US and in their own countries. So I don't believe I restricted myself only to US interests.

I don't believe protectionism and I believe globalization is the trend and it is making the pie bigger for everyone. The difference between you and me is not i'm us citizen and you are chinese student in US. That is the difference between you and me is protectionism and globalization.

You "helped" or get paid to evaluate the prospects or educating people? You are globalization simply because that's your job and you do that for yourself but not for the interest of other people. Please prove how this cooperation with ConocoPhilips in Bohai Bay benefit the Chinese people and make their pie bigger?

[ytlee]

"American students are no different from Chinese students when it comes to money issue. They balance the offers from different companies and choose the higher paid one. Everybody has a family to feed."

All people in this planet have the same dream--be happy. I don't claim i'm unique nor I have the key to happiness.

American students, being grow up in capitalism, value the happiness too, but there is a huge difference how they archive their goal. They don't blindly follow the "hot" jobs nor shouting logons like chinese students often do. They set their life goal and select an education to help them fulfiling their goal. When they select the company they want to work for, they look for the companies that agree with their life goal. They get good compensation not because they "choose the higher paid one" as you believe, they get their satisfication because better fit between them and the company. Happy employees are more productive and higher productive workers receive higher compensation. That is capitalism 101.

"So don't put on the noble mask to teach how others should treat life. It is disgusting."

As I said in previous post, I said what is on my mind whether it is to the roomful of people or empty chairs in the room. It is not my intend to change your mind. But as an old person, I feel obligate to warm the yonger generation not to repeat the mistakes that my generation made (equal money with happiness). If you feel disgusting, I feel sorry for you but owe you no apology.

[ytlee]

引用框（akabc47 ＠ 09-14-2011 - 13:58）

You "helped" or get paid to evaluate the prospects or educating people? You are globalization simply because that's your job and you do that for yourself but not for the interest of other people. Please prove how this cooperation with ConocoPhilips in Bohai Bay benefit the Chinese people and make their pie bigger?

Your statement is the exact example that globalism makes the pie bigger. I help the company by providing technical support in the evaluation and development, I also mentored several young engineers, I get paid. the NOC makes a profit and my family get feed and several young Phd students on their way becoming oilfield professional.

As for CoP Bohai project, there are several technical issues that i'm not in position to disclose. If CoP did not go ahead with the project, I don't believe china have the knowhow and capital to pull it off within that time frame. So cop makes some money and china get the oil and technology. That is a typical result of globalization. If you have problem with that, you better book your flight home.

BTW, I had a young african mentee in my first African project. He was a young man fresh out of college then. When I visited him in his country, he told me the best lesson from me is not how to run a simulation but how to manage the windfall from the oil.

[akabc47]

引用框（ytlee ＠ 09-15-2011 - 05:05）

引用框（akabc47 ＠ 09-14-2011 - 13:58）

You "helped" or get paid to evaluate the prospects or educating people? You are globalization simply because that's your job and you do that for yourself but not for the interest of other people. Please prove how this cooperation with ConocoPhilips in Bohai Bay benefit the Chinese people and make their pie bigger?

Your statement is the exact example that globalism makes the pie bigger. I help the company by providing technical support in the evaluation and development, I also mentored several young engineers, I get paid. the NOC makes a profit and my family get feed and several young Phd students on their way becoming oilfield professional.

As for CoP Bohai project, there are several technical issues that i'm not in position to disclose. If CoP did not go ahead with the project, I don't believe china have the knowhow and capital to pull it off within that time frame. So cop makes some money and china get the oil and technology. That is a typical result of globalization. If you have problem with that, you better book your flight home.

BTW, I had a young african mentee in my first African project. He was a young man fresh out of college then. When I visited him in his country, he told me the best lesson from me is not how to run a simulation but how to manage the windfall from the oil.

I asked one of my friend who is an International Business student. He said globalization is good for big and powerful countries, not so good for small and poor countries because you need them more than they need you.

Why do they need to pull it off at that time frame? In the long term, china will gain more if we put that off a little later. I don't mean anybody will lose, just china could have got more.

I don't see China get any technology. They still have no idea how to develop offshore deep water even after this cooperation.

"Book my flight home"????????? Because I don't agree with you???????

What windfall are u talking about?

[Lance1988]

引用框（akabc47 ＠ 09-23-2011 - 10:52）

引用框（ytlee ＠ 09-15-2011 - 05:05）

引用框（akabc47 ＠ 09-14-2011 - 13:58）

You "helped" or get paid to evaluate the prospects or educating people? You are globalization simply because that's your job and you do that for yourself but not for the interest of other people. Please prove how this cooperation with ConocoPhilips in Bohai Bay benefit the Chinese people and make their pie bigger?

Your statement is the exact example that globalism makes the pie bigger. I help the company by providing technical support in the evaluation and development, I also mentored several young engineers, I get paid. the NOC makes a profit and my family get feed and several young Phd students on their way becoming oilfield professional.

As for CoP Bohai project, there are several technical issues that i'm not in position to disclose. If CoP did not go ahead with the project, I don't believe china have the knowhow and capital to pull it off within that time frame. So cop makes some money and china get the oil and technology. That is a typical result of globalization. If you have problem with that, you better book your flight home.

BTW, I had a young african mentee in my first African project. He was a young man fresh out of college then. When I visited him in his country, he told me the best lesson from me is not how to run a simulation but how to manage the windfall from the oil.

I asked one of my friend who is an International Business student. He said globalization is good for big and powerful countries, not so good for small and poor countries because you need them more than they need you.

Why do they need to pull it off at that time frame? In the long term, china will gain more if we put that off a little later. I don't mean anybody will lose, just china could have got more.

I don't see China get any technology. They still have no idea how to develop offshore deep water even after this cooperation.

"Book my flight home"????????? Because I don't agree with you???????

What windfall are u talking about?

As you know, this story should back to prospect. It was really difficult for CNOOC and Phillips (there is no COP at that time). And found this oil field because of an accident well. In my opinion, it is good for CNOOC and COP both.

[ytlee]

windfall: http://en.wikipedia....i/Windfall_gain

US has the most know how and capital, why they let all other countries drill in Gulf of Mexico? If you understand it, you will answer the question you asked "why china let CoP drill in China". Both countries need a stable supply of energy to keep up the demand.

ps. I understood your emotion believing china is being exploitated. In US, the same emotion US citizens believe US is outsourcing the jobs to China. Anyway. this is colonialism mentality. I believe if you live another 20 years or so and travel more to study other cultures, you will not let this colonial mentality dictates your emotions.