[coverme]

技不如人都是白瞎啊

[coverme]

技不如人都是白瞎啊

[ytlee]

引用框（coverme ＠ 03-10-2011 - 08:07）

技不如人都是白瞎啊

It is deeper than "技不如人". For the past few decades, a lot of chinese studied geophysics and worked for the services company. Many become the top dogs and some started their own companies. Some do very well and some don't. Those who are struggling are not "技不如人", they are actually very technical. The leader of the company is at the technology front.


IMHO, it is not "技不如人". It is "人不如技". Business is people. People work with people who they trust. People, especially US, don't trust technology. If your company wants to 进军海外市场, start by earning the trust.

[flexlm]

成功的人很多，失败的人也很多。因素是多方面的。中国有句话，杀猪杀屁股，各有各的杀法。
不妨看看大陆的环境，市场的同质化，技术同质化，社会关系同质化，是国内绝大多数服务公司目前生存状态。大家一样的市场、一样的技术（靠着几套盗版的软件和造假模块）、一样的社会关系，于是，一个劣币驱逐良币的环境造成了国内地球物理技术发展的停滞。
倒是各个公司老板，在国内市场开拓的水平，那个都不低。技术，恐怕也就是做powerpoint的水平有点相互不同，跟甲方腐败的方式有点不同，无非还是金钱、美女。没有谁真的在乎技术发展。
中石油、中石化麾下的各个科研机构，很符合某个前辈描述“国家石油公司的研究人员，不学无术”

引用框（ytlee ＠ 03-10-2011 - 06:46）

引用框（coverme ＠ 03-10-2011 - 08:07）

技不如人都是白瞎啊

It is deeper than "技不如人". For the past few decades, a lot of chinese studied geophysics and worked for the services company. Many become the top dogs and some started their own companies. Some do very well and some don't. Those who are struggling are not "技不如人", they are actually very technical. The leader of the company is at the technology front.


IMHO, it is not "技不如人". It is "人不如技". Business is people. People work with people who they trust. People, especially US, don't trust technology. If your company wants to 进军海外市场, start by earning the trust.

[ytlee]

引用框（flexlm ＠ 03-11-2011 - 00:43）

成功的人很多，失败的人也很多。因素是多方面的。中国有句话，杀猪杀屁股，各有各的杀法。
不妨看看大陆的环境，市场的同质化，技术同质化，社会关系同质化，是国内绝大多数服务公司目前生存状态。大家一样的市场、一样的技术（靠着几套盗版的软件和造假模块）、一样的社会关系，于是，一个劣币驱逐良币的环境造成了国内地球物理技术发展的停滞。
倒是各个公司老板，在国内市场开拓的水平，那个都不低。技术，恐怕也就是做powerpoint的水平有点相互不同，跟甲方腐败的方式有点不同，无非还是金钱、美女。没有谁真的在乎技术发展。
中石油、中石化麾下的各个科研机构，很符合某个前辈描述“国家石油公司的研究人员，不学无术”

Flexlm, what you described is related to 社会关系 and result of 人. Many times when my colleagues and I were shooting the breeze, when it comes to the china market for software, we all feel the same, the market may be huge and we believe the chineses could benefit from our software. but it is not worth the risk. You don't need to look too far, SLB reworked the security after 2004 and 2008, but still can't prevent the crack. It seems everyone in China have a copy of ECL,but the questions related to ecl in this forum and other forums clearly show the quality of the users well below par. A clear case of 劣币驱逐良币.

[quickie]

引用框（flexlm ＠ 03-10-2011 - 23:43）

成功的人很多，失败的人也很多。因素是多方面的。中国有句话，杀猪杀屁股，各有各的杀法。
不妨看看大陆的环境，市场的同质化，技术同质化，社会关系同质化，是国内绝大多数服务公司目前生存状态。大家一样的市场、一样的技术（靠着几套盗版的软件和造假模块）、一样的社会关系，于是，一个劣币驱逐良币的环境造成了国内地球物理技术发展的停滞。
倒是各个公司老板，在国内市场开拓的水平，那个都不低。技术，恐怕也就是做powerpoint的水平有点相互不同，跟甲方腐败的方式有点不同，无非还是金钱、美女。没有谁真的在乎技术发展。
中石油、中石化麾下的各个科研机构，很符合某个前辈描述“国家石油公司的研究人员，不学无术”

希望在哪里? 竞争对手如此不堪，你赶紧把你自己的公司发展壮大吧。

[jin8jin]

中国的物探行业确实乌烟瘴气，潜能恒信擅长的技术就是造假，但是很多油公司领导就是喜欢漂亮的剖面，有什么办法。
SRMR目前能够正事应用于生产的估计只有CGG和Omega，而且很贵，但是效果确实非常好。
RTM应该有很多软件了，据我所知Marvel的RTM效果就已经很好了

[huanming1985]

您说得对，恒泰艾普有非常多的缺点，这不如人，那不如人，和斯伦贝谢这种摩天大楼相比只是一个漏雨漏风的窝棚。

但是，恒泰艾普存在的意义是解决了有无的问题，给原来一盘散沙的研发处理解释开发人员一个窝棚，至于这个窝棚之后是变成草房瓦房洋楼大厦，可以一步步的解决。就像海尔、联想、奇瑞、三一的故事一样，先解决了有没有的问题，把戏台子搭起来，咱又不比法国人美国人笨，赶上并超越只是时间问题。在这个过程中难免有发展中的问题，海尔当年是生产伪劣产品的，联想貌似走私，奇瑞是没有批文的野孩子，恒泰爱普也差不多。

另外声明一点，我不是恒泰的员工。但是我相信中国一定会有自己的斯伦贝谢哈里伯顿之类的公司。

[huanming1985]

引用框（flexlm ＠ 03-07-2011 - 17:00）

创业板块，那就是个joke。
自己成为机构卷商的道具，其实很悲剧的

引用框（wzgme ＠ 03-06-2011 - 21:58）

潜能恒信，不也上创业板了，公司网站上介绍的技术也比较少。

同意您对中国证券市场的评论。。。

[huanming1985]

引用框（grape ＠ 02-15-2011 - 23:56）

最大的非国有控股企业之一 has only 300多名员工?

300员工估计都是多的。。。好多处理公司都是十位数的员工。。。

[尘埃落定]

这个帖子很有深度啊

[ytlee]

flexlm,

Excuss me for hijacking your discusion.

As you stated the phenom of "靠着坑蒙拐骗来" is common in China. However, I believe it can be corrected if China address the copyright issue.

One of the reason I strongly on the opposite side of many forum member point of view and being accussed as "traitor" or other worsier name is I believe copyright issue is holding China back.

Several years ago, Microsoft want to implement a very strong anti-hacking feature for china market. The proposal was voted down because MS doesn't want China to develop a replacement OS.

The developer of flexlm (not to be confused with a forum member) has an option to pinpoint the location of the user which will deter illegal users. But the oil service company elected not to use it because it doesn't want the chinese company develop their own.

Granted, it is cheaper to use 爱国 (not my label) version than develop your own. Many argue that "developing country" or "poor students" don't have the resource or foreign country discriminate chinese by holding back technology. Those are nothing but selfrighteous excuss. China have enough talent and resources to do whatever technology needed.

Using ECL (which every PE student seems to has a copy) as example, for the past decade, thousands students from china were educated in US university for computer science and reservoir simulation, hundreds worked for SLB and with ECL development, many (I know at least half dozen) went back to China. Many fellow forum members I personally know work on simulator development in US have expressed their desire working in China. Same for seismic processing software. Hence, China lack talent doesn't hold water.

The main reason I believe as I stated and many forum members mad at me for saying is "爱国版".

Anyway, holiday season is coming in US, I leave you this present for you to think about it.

Happy Holiday and 新年快乐 wherever you are.